Curse

Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

i think im gonna use this build for a mo/me:

attributes: 12,3,1 healing 6 inspiration 11,1 divine

weapon: insightful holy staff of fortitude-11-22 req9 energy+15 hp+30 hsr hct

word of healing
healing seed
orison of healing
healing touch
signet of devotion
heal party
restore life
channeling

but lots of ppl are saying that heal other and heal party suck becuz of high energy cost, so here are my questions:

1 - should i have in healing breeze?

2 - should i use a sup rune of healing for my mo/me?

3 - signet of devotion? good? bad?

Effigy · Nov 26, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

I really wouldn't advocate a pure healing build because I've long since come to realize the power of prot. However, I know a lot of newer monks gravitate toward healing and the experience is valuable, so I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions as far as healing versus protection.

As to the build:
1. With Word of Healing, Heal Other is unnecessary. I'd replace it with Signet of Devotion. Heal Party can be useful. Just don't cast it constantly. Use it when three or more people are hurt enough to warrant a single target heal. Also be sure not to cast it if anyone is under heavy fire because they could die during the 2 sec cast time.

2. There's no definite answer to this. Many monks use a superior rune for PvE and it will boost your heals a bit. However, it will also make you more vulnerable. If you do use a superior, I'd recommend having another scalp to switch to when you get DPed.

3. SoD is very good, as long as you use it correctly. It has the potential to save you a lot of energy, but you have to be careful not to use it when someone is in danger of getting killed. If someone starts dropping fast while you're casting SoD, cancel it and use a fast heal.

Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

thanks

Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 10:36 PM // 22:36

wat about runes? i have:

minor/sup healing u didnt give me a definite answer
minor/major/sup vigor
minor divine favor

so should i put in vitae or attunement?

Effigy · Nov 26, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

In all honesty, I'd recommend just using a minor rune for every attribute and the biggest Vigor rune you can afford. You may only be using Healing Prayers and Divine Favor right now, but I can almost guarantee you'll be using the other attributes at some point in the near future. Unfortunately, this leaves no room for Vitae or Attunement runes.

Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

im not gonna use other attributes while im healing lol

i was talking about the healing build ONLY

also, i think if pyromancer eles use superiors, monks should as well

so lets see...thats 3 runes on 5 pieces of armor

soo... vitae or attunement for my HEALING BUILD?

Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Healing Breeze?

Yes Or No?

Effigy · Nov 26, 2006, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Never take Healing Breeze on a primary monk except for farming.

If you don't want to use the other minor runes, I'd take Attunement runes in PvE. Or Vitae in PvP.

Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

kk ty

maienGerl · Nov 29, 2006, 11:53 AM // 11:53

Is he using that for PvP or PvE?

I saw how many people start to use Channeling now? (outside pvp, that is)

Also. Healing Breeze can be useful, you just know how to use it, and not spam it, advicing to never take it is - b/s - flat out.

True enough, prot is powerful, but a heal/prot build won't have the prot powers of a real prot monk, nor the healing power of a real healing monk, and seeing as you usually go with a second monk, later on at least, It's fine enough going pure heal ..

And given you don't wander around with another monk, that is actually prot, Heal Other isn't uneccessary,if you take woh, afterall, there are those recharge times..

drop healing touch for heal other, you'll have more benefit from that..

Xeones The Great · Nov 29, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

i kinda need healing touch for myself...

when im in trouble it is good health gain with very fast charge time

also, heal other, i founf out, isnt that good

orison of healing and WoH are better

thx anyways

LightningHell · Nov 29, 2006, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Healing Breeze is IMO only useful on E/Mos.

Healing Touch, Heal Other, and Orison are all suboptimal spells, but I'll leave that for experience to work that out for you.

Heal Party is also extremely useful on E/Mos.

nSin · Nov 29, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by maienGerl

True enough, prot is powerful, but a heal/prot build won't have the prot powers of a real prot monk, nor the healing power of a real healing monk, and seeing as you usually go with a second monk, later on at least, It's fine enough going pure heal ..

this kinda changed with zealous benediction though.

Effigy · Nov 29, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by maienGerl

Is he using that for PvP or PvE?

I saw how many people start to use Channeling now? (outside pvp, that is)

Also. Healing Breeze can be useful, you just know how to use it, and not spam it, advicing to never take it is - b/s - flat out.

True enough, prot is powerful, but a heal/prot build won't have the prot powers of a real prot monk, nor the healing power of a real healing monk, and seeing as you usually go with a second monk, later on at least, It's fine enough going pure heal ..

And given you don't wander around with another monk, that is actually prot, Heal Other isn't uneccessary,if you take woh, afterall, there are those recharge times..

drop healing touch for heal other, you'll have more benefit from that..

Channeling is, in fact, very good. However, I wouldn't recommend it for someone new to monking because it takes careful positioning to get the benefits without getting yourself killed or overaggroing.

Healing Breeze is not a good spell for any non-farming monk with points in Divine Favor. This has been discussed extensively; if you don't believe me, I'm sure you could find several threads on this.

It's technically true that a hybrid can't be as powerful at either healing or protting as a "pure" monk. However, with the right build you can come very close to maximum efficiency in both areas while also benefiting from the incredible utility and versatility of a hybrid. Here's what I'm currently using in PvE:

Protection 14 (12+1+1)
Healing 11 (10+1)
Divine Favor 9 (8+1)

Reversal of Fortune
Shield of Absorption
Gift of Health
Mend Condition
Zealous Benediction {E}
Protective Spirit or Spirit Bond*
Holy Veil
Rebirth or Resurrection Signet

*I usually take PS because it lasts longer and becomes increasingly powerful the more DP the target has. SB is also very powerful and is a good choice if someone else in your group has PS.

This build has very strong prot as well as great single target heals. The only thing a pure healer has over this build is Heal Party, which, while very good, can be easily put on an E/Mo. It lacks Guardian, but SoA basically serves the same purpose.

Earendil · Nov 29, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

The whole part of "pyromancers use sup runes so I should use them on a monk" and "if you're not at 16 prot you won't have the prot power" is kinda amusing.

First...there are attributes that benefit a lot from being maxed, fire being one of them. I'd never run a MM under16 death magic and for a good reason. However, it has been repeatedly proven (check these forums for the right threads) that the benefit you get from 11 to 15-16 prot is not impressive for most prot skills and that the use of superior runes on a monk (DF being the easiest to defend) is not strictly required.

Effigy's build is close to perfect. You have one energy management healing skill (ZB) that you will cast on a target under PS or SoA so he won't die before ZB hits him (spikes in PvE are way slower than in PvP). You have a hex remover, a back-up heal skill (GoH) and a condition remover (the relative merits of mend ailment or dismiss conditions could be discussed but...). Assuming you'll want to play it in some sort of PvP you could use some defensive skills from the secondary (A or W) but that's obviously not the case.

Drewfense · Nov 29, 2006, 09:10 PM // 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by maienGerl

Also. Healing Breeze can be useful, you just know how to use it, and not spam it, advicing to never take it is - b/s - flat out.

Healing Breeze on a normal party monk is like firestorm on an ele. It is just stupid. In general PvE there is so much enchant stripping to prevent 55 farming that unless you have an insane amount of enchantments in the team build, it will always be stripped. Even if it wasn't stripped, at best you are gettings around a heal other except you sacrifice it lasting 12 seconds. All of that, just so you have the ability to self target (which again contradicts, if you are taking dmg and have aggro, you are even more susceptible to being stripped). You are much better off just bring Heal Touch or a little prot. It is a really bad skill and whenever I see a monk use it, I start the quest over and bring Mhenlo.

Xeones The Great · Nov 30, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

whats IMO mean?

LightningHell · Nov 30, 2006, 01:46 AM // 01:46

IMO means In My Opinion.

Did you post two threads on this? If so, I'm merging them.

Rera · Nov 30, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

ZB is an excellent skill on paper, but is often defeated in PvE due to lack of teamwork. The practical reality is that, in a 2-monk team, the ability to trigger the conditional energy return is extremely limited. Perhaps your experiences with it are different, but after using a ZB build for the majority of the NF campaign I found the skill underwhelming.

Effigy · Nov 30, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

True enough, but that also depends on your team build. ZB is most effective on a single monk team, and that's how I prefer to use it in PvE. Instead of having two normal monks, I like to play a ZB hybrid with non-monk support characters like a motivation/command paragon and an E/Mo warder. This allows me solo monk without stretching my resources too thin while also being able to meet the condition for ZB most of the time. Naturally, this works better with heroes/henchies so I don't have to argue with PUGs about their skillbars.